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  • Putz news: Dave Sim e Marvel?!Spidey?Am?Am?

    Postado originalmente por Blog and Mail
    Thursday, April 19, 2007
    Dave Sim's blogandmail #220 (April 19th, 2007)



    As You May Remember from

    Yesterday's Thrill-Packed Episode,

    Dave has been playing telephone tag with

    his contact at Marvel…



    Evidently he does have a rate offer that he's gotten approval on from "upstairs" so I just have to wait and see what the number actually is. Haven't heard back all week and again I'm in the situation of having to decide whether to give him the benefit of the doubt or if this is the mainstream comics pressure tactic again of trying to figure out how desperate you are by how long they can keep you hanging. Hm. How desperate am I? I got in absolutely no money in the entire month of February so I was in a different frame of mind back in March when we first started talking and now I've just had two very big weeks of trade paperback orders, last week in March, first week in April (THANK YOU, RETAILERS!) and Monday I got in the first two big cheques from Diamond of the Dave Sim Solo Administration (THANK YOU, DIAMOND!). It's a very awkward way to make a living. Revenue dries up, so I start thinking about ways to make money and sending out metaphorical messages in a bottle and just as those reach their intended recipients, I get a nice big dump of money and orders and I think, "I don't want to do any commissions or any outside work. Sales are fine. Revenues are fine. Let's stop doing the Blog & Mail or any outside work and just work on the secret project. The books sell themselves." Of course then revenues dry up again. And there's no discernible pattern. Ger would print out all the crunched numbers for each of the trades, month-by-month. How many sold and what month they sold in. Bar graphs showing overall sales month-to-month. If you set the computer on "random play" I don't think you could get a less predictable sales profile.


    The problem with the Marvel situation…well, there are a couple of problems already. First of all, I said, I think what went wrong at DC was I treated their work-made-for-hire contract as an initial overture. When Shelly Bond's assistant told me I could direct any questions to so-and-so in the Legal Department, I figured, okay, this is the guy I talk to about what I have problems with: here's what I'd like changed. Nothing was "do-able". End of negotiation. Bye-bye, DC. So I suggest to him, Why don't you fax through the Marvel contract and put a check-mark next to any non-negotiable point. I'll read what you have checked off and if I can't live with them, we'll call it a day. So he faxes through the Marvel contract. Nineteen, count `em, nineteen honking pages. Nothing checked off. So the next time I talk to him he says that he didn't know which clauses would apply in my case and which wouldn't so he decided to just fax everything over from their boilerplate work-made-for-hire contract on up. "Oh, well," I said. "Whatever else happens I'll have a lot of material to talk about on the Blog & Mail." I would describe the ensuing silence on the other end of the line as "pointed".


    One of the problems is that what I pictured doing was Spider-Ham. I have a definite approach in mind but Marvel has a Submissions Waiver form (supplemental to the 19 pages, it came in the next day masquerading as an afterthought) which you have to sign which says that this indemnifies them if you pitch them an idea that they're already working on. There's a lot of trust involved in signing something like that. I mean, what's to keep them from CLAIMING that they were working on that idea already after they read the proposal? BWS pitched them on his Hulk graphic novel about Bruce Banner having been molested as a child. They rejected it, but a year or two later it turns up as a Jim Shooter script. Yes, that was a long time ago and, yes, that was a different Marvel administration. It's certainly possible that Jim had already been working on that but, even if you allow for that possibility, obviously the BWS story is going to be that much better just because it's BWS. And BWS gets bupkis.


    So, I faxed my contact "I really can't sign this, so how about instead I'll tell you half of my idea, the half where there's no jurisdictional risk to Marvel at stake. What I want to do is Spider-Ham but it's a completely different approach to what Marvel has done with the character. So what I'm proposing is that Marvel gives me a stake—nothing huge—but a stake in my version of Spider-Ham and if it turns into a series or Hollywood wants to make a movie out of it, I make a small percentage. If you do YOUR version of Spider-Ham I don't get anything." Given that it's going to cut into my own writing and drawing time and I'll probably be making substantially less money, I have to come up with a scenario, however remote, that would potentially make this a cagey move. Even the outside chance of getting 1% of a 75-million or 200-million dollar movie would justify a certain encroachment on how I do things (is the uneasy underpinning of my rationalization).


    Well, he went and ran that past whoever he had to run that past and phoned back a couple of days later and said, "No, Joe Straczyinski just did Spider-Ham in Civil War, so Spider-Ham is out." This is one of the things I have trouble understanding about mainstream comics. I'm not talking about Joe's Spider-Ham, I'm talking about Dave's Spider-Ham. It has something to do, I would guess, with creating the illusion that they're actually documenting real-life characters and if Dave's Spider-Ham shows up too soon after Joe's Spider-Ham that will make Spider-Ham less believable in an overall Marvel continuity sense.


    The real world part of me thinks "We're discussing a cartoon pig in a Spider-man costume. `Believable' is a relative concept with very, very big quotation marks around it." You know. "Let's get a grip, here." But Dave Sim, fanboy, understands perfectly. Mark "Marvel Universe" Gruenwald (God rest his soul) has been dead and gone for some years, but the urge to make everything conform to One Giant Marvel Comics Flow Chart of Internally Consistent Reality has survived him in spirit if not in fact (a die-hard Marvel fan would know better than I would). Dave Sim, comic-book writer, who has a foot in both the real world and the fanboy world thinks, "I made twenty-six years of a cartoon aardvark plausible to an audience made up largely of grown-ups. Send me what Joe did and I'll figure a way to turn his Spider-Ham into my Spider-Ham in two panels that will have Mark Gruenwald weeping in the great by-and-by at the sheer symmetrical and internally consistent inventiveness of it all." But "real world" Dave understands that that's VERY unlikely to happen. "Real world" Dave is "new around here". When in Rome do as the Romans tell you to do.


    "What other Marvel character would you want to do?"


    Tomorrow: Well, what other Marvel character WOULD I want to do?



    There's MORE for you

    In TODAY's Blog &MAAAIIILLL!
    http://davesim.blogspot.com/

    putaquepariu, Sim escrevendo Marvel?vai ser contraditório


    discorram

    e lembrem-se:
    Cerebus > Supers
    And anything less, anything less, makes me feel like I'm wasting my time.

    Vendo.

  • #2
    Aníbal News?
    Send down the firewalker
    Send down the neon priest
    Send down the junky doctor
    Send down the shadow king
    Down through the heart of the city at night
    In black and white

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    • #3
      No aguardo da tradução pro aramaico.


      LISTÃO DE VENDAS:
      http://www.mbbforum.com/mbb/showthread.php?42803-List%E3o-de-Vendas

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      • #4
        Por que cargas d'água americano escreve tanto em suas reportagens?
        AAHHHHHH!!! I fucking hate this town! - KNIGHTLEY, ANDREW. The World's End

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        • #5
          putaquepariu, Sim escrevendo Marvel?vai ser contraditório
          O que será que ele quis dizer com isso?

          http://twitter.com/adailtonba2

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          • #6
            putz, pessoal só sabe inglês pra ler scan
            deve ser pq gibi de super-herói é só acompanhar as lutas, né?

            Por que cargas d'água americano escreve tanto em suas reportagens?
            é um blog

            Postado originalmente por M1ster
            O que será que ele quis dizer com isso?
            sim sempre criticou o que as duas fazem com os títulos (see: creator rights discussion), relação criador~editora, principalmente no caso do superhomem/dc

            há uns dias mesmo ele citou homem-aranha, sobre o personagem estar próximo da marca de 1 bilhão em lucros e os criadores terem ganho quase nada perto disso

            escrever títulos da marvel é condizer com isso
            não é?
            And anything less, anything less, makes me feel like I'm wasting my time.

            Vendo.

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            • #7
              Dave Sim não é aquele do Cerebus?

              Vai ser uma merda...
              BEHOLD MY POWER

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              • #8
                O do Cerebus???

                Vai escrever Spider-Ham... Tenho certeza!

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                • #9
                  Se for isso mesmo,é a noticia mais interessante q eu ouvi essa semana.
                  fotografia é desenho de luz

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                  • #10
                    Quando grana há, princípios dão lugar.
                    AAHHHHHH!!! I fucking hate this town! - KNIGHTLEY, ANDREW. The World's End

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                    • #11
                      por enquanto, segundo o post aí, não há nada definido


                      MAS

                      o Dave diz que tira um dia pra escrever duas semanas de blog and mail de uma vez só, então pode ser que esse post tenha sido escrito até mês passado

                      talvez tenham decidido, talvez não

                      Quando grana há, princípios dão lugar.
                      acho que ele nunca ganhou muita grana nesses 30 anos mesmo, pode ser só pra mudar a impressão que as pessoas têm dele (e a maioria nunca leu Cerebus, só dá chilique pq ele escarrou feminismo) e vender mais
                      And anything less, anything less, makes me feel like I'm wasting my time.

                      Vendo.

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                      • #12
                        Não tinha um post cabulçoso aqui no MBB sobre o Cerebus e DAve Sim, tudim em português?

                        Tinha a polêmica com as feministas e umas opiniões sensacionais do Peter David sobre a série ir perdendo o pique com os anos.

                        Tá por aí esse post?
                        http://twitter.com/Fabio_Negro

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                        • #13
                          Tá por aqui?na busca não aparece

                          não cheguei a ver, mas se criticava, era uma grande frescura


                          cerebus é um puta dum gibi, e a "queda de qualidade" que a algumas pessoas falam é pelas mudanças (assim como chiaram quando ele largou a espada e foi ser primeiro ministro, quem lê de gibi não aceita mudanças)

                          isso quando não é escarro de jornalista loser que nem leu e começa dizendo que "cerebus começou como uma paródia de conan, depois...". an? nas primeiras edições o Sim já zoa o feminismo (Red Sophia) e religião ("stop thinking, stop thinking!tarim doesn't want you to think, tarim wants all your money")


                          e é uma pena as pessoas não lerem por bichisse com feminismo
                          (também não concordo com os ensaios sobre o feminismo, até pq já é uma piada, cachorro morto que ninguém precisava chutar)
                          And anything less, anything less, makes me feel like I'm wasting my time.

                          Vendo.

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                          • #14
                            Postado originalmente por Fabio Negro
                            Não tinha um post cabulçoso aqui no MBB sobre o Cerebus e DAve Sim, tudim em português?

                            Tinha a polêmica com as feministas e umas opiniões sensacionais do Peter David sobre a série ir perdendo o pique com os anos.

                            Tá por aí esse post?
                            O AntiMonitor deve ter apagado nos últimos de seus velhos dias na moderação.

                            Ou isso é recente?

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                            • #15
                              Era da época em que faltava uns 6 números pra Cerebus acabar, e uma boa parte da imprensa tava fazendo um tipo de contagem regressiva, com análises, retrospecto, as polêmicas, os fãs...

                              A maioria era elogiosa, por ser uma HQ independente que fez barulho e era autoral semconcessões.

                              Peter David perguntava, num artigo meio gigântalo: "por quanto tempo é possível manter a qualidade de uma série antes de se sair dops trilhos?".

                              Interessante ser ele a fazer essa pergunta, que enfrentou críticas do tipo em suas fases finais de Hulk.

                              Sobre feminismo e misoginia, eu não li Cerebus, mas provavelmente concorde com Dave Sim.
                              Mulher só serve pra dar a bunda.
                              http://twitter.com/Fabio_Negro

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